Extended select type

[Jochen Haenisch]

Concerning clear statements, Phil, what I can see is that your statement is
pretty unclear. I thought the British write short sentences!

Could you try to formulate your considerations a little more precise,
please?!?
Thank you in advance!

Best regards, Jochen.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Phil Spiby [SMTP:Phil.Spiby at Eurostep.com]
> Sent:	18. april 2002 12:14
> To:	Jochen Haenisch; 'Pascal Huau'; WG11
> Cc:	Module exploder
> Subject:	RE: Extended select type
> 
> Jochen,
> 
> It is clear there is a line with a circle on the end, but  there is NO
> normative text defining the style of this line (should it be thick,
> normal,
> dashed). Since we now have other end styles for Subtype constraints should
> these replace the circle at the end, should we have one page reference per
> relationship, can multiple things point to the page reference, if they
> have
> different line styles how are these manages on the referred to page,
> should
> the icon have multiple lines linking it to the referred to object.
> 
> As you can see there is no clear statement on what is the case here. If we
> want to clarify this and get a consistent approach then it will delay the
> DAM, since all the tools deal with this in different ways.
> 
> Phil
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jochen Haenisch [mailto:Jochen.Haenisch at epmtech.jotne.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:46 AM
> > To: 'Phil.Spiby at Eurostep.com'; 'Pascal Huau'; WG11
> > Cc: Module exploder
> > Subject: RE: Extended select type
> >
> >
> > Phil,
> > I do not know where the ambiguity is, but figure D.12 is at least
> > clear. And
> > not having a circle is sensible and easy to explain to modellers.
> > Jochen
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> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Phil Spiby [SMTP:Phil.Spiby at Eurostep.com]
> > > Sent:	18. april 2002 11:34
> > > To:	Jochen Haenisch; 'Pascal Huau'; WG11
> > > Cc:	Module exploder
> > > Subject:	RE: Extended select type
> > >
> > > Jochen,
> > >
> > > Sorry to do this but...
> > >
> > > > In case the line ends at an off-page
> > > > reference, there is no circle at the off-page reference > symbol;
> this
> > > is
> > > > never the case!
> > >
> > > The standard does not state normatively that this is the case,
> > in fact the
> > > standard is rather ambiguous in this area. We did tidy this up
> > > significantly
> > > in the original E2 (now E3) and make clear statements about the line
> > > styles
> > > to be used etc. But since there was a wide variety of interpretations
> in
> > > the
> > > current tools we decided not to force this issue the DAM (E2).
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-wg11 at steptools.com [mailto:owner-wg11 at steptools.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Jochen Haenisch
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:27 AM
> > > > To: 'Pascal Huau'; WG11
> > > > Cc: Module exploder
> > > > Subject: RE: Extended select type
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Pascal,
> > > >
> > > > attached is a ppt-file with my understanding of the new Express-G
> > > symbols.
> > > > For selects this seems to be in line with your description below -
> > > except
> > > > (maybe?!?) for the direction: the line goes from the
> > extensible (the one
> > > > with the EX) to the extending. In case the line ends at an off-page
> > > > reference, there is no circle at the off-page reference
> > symbol; this is
> > > > never the case!
> > > >
> > > > Best regards, Jochen.
> > > >
> > > >  <<P11e2_graphical_symbols.ppt>>
> > > > ____________________________________________________________
> > > > Jochen Haenisch			E-mail:
> > > > Jochen.Haenisch at epmtech.jotne.com
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> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From:	Pascal Huau [SMTP:pascalhuau at goset.asso.fr]
> > > > > Sent:	17. april 2002 15:29
> > > > > To:	WG11
> > > > > Cc:	Module exploder
> > > > > Subject:	Extended select type
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Express2 experts,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Question about the Express-G representation of an extended SELECT
> > > type:
> > > > > could you confirm that the connection line between the extended
> > > > SELECT and
> > > > > the extensible SELECT is a thick line that goes from the
> > > > rectangle of the
> > > > > extended select to the rectangle of the extensible select (line
> > > > terminated
> > > > > by a circle).
> > > > >
> > > > > Additional question:
> > > > > in case the extensible select is used from an another schema,
> shall
> > > the
> > > > > line end at the reference balloon with or without a circle?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance for your help,
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > > Pascal Huau
> > > > > Association GOSET
> > > > > 107,111 avenue Clemenceau
> > > > > 92000 Nanterre
> > > > > France
> > > >
> >