ISO18876

[West, Matthew R SITI-ITPSIE]

Dear Bernd,

When you talk about ISO15926-2 concepts, you must mean class and individual.

There is no dependency here - or at least none intended. Class I think is
unavoidable - it is defined in very broad terms, but I'm happy ot reveiw
those, or add a note that it is not necessarily the same sense as in 15926
(though that will look very strange to people outside SC4).

Individual means things that exist in space time. In 15926 this is taken as
a spatio-temporal extent, but you could take individuals as continuants and
occurents if you wish (they still exist in space time). Here we could change
the word used if you wish, since particular is another word that is
sometimes used for this purpose.


Matthew West
Principal Consultant
Shell Information Technology International Limited
Shell Centre, London SE1 7NA, United Kingdom

Tel: +44 20 7934 4490 Other Tel: +44 7796 336538
Email: matthew.r.west at is.shell.com
Internet: http://www.shell.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bernd G. Wenzel [mailto:bg_wenzel at csi.com]
> Sent: 14 April 2002 19:10
> To: West, Matthew R SITI-ITPSIE
> Cc: Julian Fowler (E-mail); WG10 (E-mail); Howard Mason (E-mail);
> ISO18876 (E-mail); Gerry Radack (E-mail); Meinolf Gröpper
> Subject: Re: ISO18876
> 
> 
> Matthew,
> 
> thank you very much.
> 
> BTW: The dependence I'm concerned about is not formal but
> logically implied, and it is not on ISO 15926 but on ISO 15926-2,
> especially the top of the hierarchy defined there.
> 
> :-) Bernd
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "West, Matthew R SITI-ITPSIE" <Matthew.R.West at IS.shell.com>
> To: "Bernd G. Wenzel" <bg_wenzel at csi.com>
> Cc: "Julian Fowler (E-mail)" <jfowler at modulant.com>; "WG10
> (E-mail)" <wg10 at steptools.com>; "Howard Mason (E-mail)"
> <howard.mason at bae.co.uk>; "ISO18876 (E-mail)"
> <iso18876 at egroups.com>; "Gerry Radack (E-mail)"
> <radack at ctcgsc.org>; "Meinolf Gröpper" <groepper_inf at vdma.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 7:42 PM
> Subject: RE: ISO18876
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Bernd,
> 
> Fine, lets make it four weeks. After all it has taken us
> 7 years to get this far, so I don't suppose another couple
> of weeks will matter that much.
> 
> See comments below.
> 
> 
> Matthew West
> Principal Consultant
> Shell Information Technology International Limited
> Shell Centre, London SE1 7NA, United Kingdom
> 
> Tel: +44 20 7934 4490 Other Tel: +44 7796 336538
> Email: matthew.r.west at is.shell.com
> Internet: http://www.shell.com
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bernd G. Wenzel [mailto:bg_wenzel at csi.com]
> > Sent: 13 April 2002 18:27
> > To: West, Matthew R SITI-ITPSIE
> > Cc: Julian Fowler (E-mail); WG10 (E-mail); Howard Mason
> (E-mail);
> > ISO18876 (E-mail); Gerry Radack (E-mail); Meinolf Gröpper
> > Subject: Re: ISO18876
> >
> >
> > Matthew,
> >
> > as I have other things to do beyond ISO 18876,
> 
> MW: 1?@%&*???!!! :-)
> 
> > I'd like to object
> > against your proposed timing. Due to other obligations I cannot
> > spend any time reviewing the new documents before early May.
> >
> > Would you please extend the review period from 1 week to 4
> weeks?
> 
> MW: Yes. See above.
> 
> > A first very cursory look at the new document and the minutes
> of
> > the ballot resolution workshop indicates, that you have not
> > properly taken into account the German comments.
> 
> MW: I presume this is about alleged dependence on ISO15926. There
> is
> certainly none intentionally. The only mention of 15926 (in an
> example
> at that) has been removed, and I really can't see anything that
> would
> not apply just as much to using a harmonised set of modules (or
> AP214)
> as an integration model as 15926. So if you do think there is
> something remaining, please be specific about the passages
> involved.
> 
> MW: Of course the reality is that 15926 is dependent on 18876,
> rather
> than the reverse.
> 
> > As a
> > consequence, I cannot confirm them blindly. I will have to
> spend
> > a couple of hours reading them.
> 
> MW: It should not take more than that (hence the 1 week initial
> proposal). It may help further to note that if you turn on:
> Tools, track changes, highlight changes, highlight changes on
> screen,
> in Word, you can see all the changes that have been made.
> >
> > I'm sure, you understand this position.
> >
> > :-) Bernd
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Bernd G. Wenzel
> > Ganghoferstraße 7b
> > D-83043 Bad Aibling
> > Germany
> >
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> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "West, Matthew R SITI-ITPSIE"
> <Matthew.R.West at IS.shell.com>
> > To: "WG10 (E-mail)" <wg10 at steptools.com>; "Howard Mason
> (E-mail)"
> > <howard.mason at bae.co.uk>; "ISO18876 (E-mail)"
> > <iso18876 at egroups.com>; "Bernd Wenzel (E-mail 2)"
> > <BG_Wenzel at compuserve.com>; "Gerry Radack (E-mail)"
> > <radack at ctcgsc.org>
> > Cc: "Julian Fowler (E-mail)" <jfowler at modulant.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:32 PM
> > Subject: ISO18876
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Colleagues,
> > >
> > > Please find below the URLs for a revised draft of ISO18876
> 1&2.
> > > The zip files also contain responses to the issues raised
> > > against each part.
> > >
> > > I would appreciate it if you would review the documents, and
> if
> > > you raised issues confirm that you are happy with the
> > resolution.
> > > I give you until Friday 19th April to review and comment on
> any
> > > last items. At that point I shall conduct the check lists and
> > > issue part 1 as a TS, and part 2 for confirmatory ballot.
> > >
> > > http://www.iso18876.org/iso18876-1.html
> > > http://www.iso18876.org/iso18876-2.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Matthew West
> > > Principal Consultant
> > > Shell Information Technology International Limited
> > > Shell Centre, London SE1 7NA, United Kingdom
> > >
> > > Tel: +44 20 7934 4490 Other Tel: +44 7796 336538
> > > Email: matthew.r.west at is.shell.com
> > > Internet: http://www.shell.com
> >
>