WG11 Minutes from Poitiers

Mon Nov 10 15:39:32 EST 2003

These minutes from Poitiers have been posted to the SC4 document
archive as wg11n227, along with the other N-documents referenced
herein.  The following URL will also get you there.

http://www.tc184-sc4.org/SC4_Open/SC4_and_Working_Groups/WG11/N-DOCS/Files/wg11n227_poitiers_minutes.txt

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TC184/SC4/WG11/N227 Poitiers Minutes
2003-10-26 to 2003-10-31

Opening Plenary Mon 10:30-Noon	
ATTENDEES 
Jochen Haenisch		NO	jochen.haenisch at epmtech.jotne.com
David Price		UK	david.price at eurostep.com
Ed Barkmeyer		US	edbark at nist.gov
Jochen Fritz		US	jfritz at steptools.com
David Loffredo		US	loffredo at steptools.com
Heidi Preston		US	hpreston at ebmail.gdeb.com

PROGRESS AND STATUS OF WG11 PROJECTS

Part 11 Edition 2 - status 50.00
	Reporting - Jochen Haenisch

	Submitted to ISO for FDIS ballot circulation in August.
	Got word from ISO that they will be mailing the ballot to
	member countries on 2003-11-14.

	On 2003-10-15, some minor editorial back and forth on the PDF, 
	but ISO appears to be going forward with the ballot anyway. No
	response from Peter Wilson so we need to find someone with a
	LaTeX installation to make the changes.

	The Secretariat is still listing SEDS as open for this part.
	Jochen needs to provide the details of SEDS closures to the
	Secretariat so they can be closed out.

	Need to begin TC for language identifier, short to long
	refinements that were identified from implementation tests
	(rule for handling of referenced entity data types to
	 constraing to dependant instantiation -- missing type
	 label for local declaration of generics within functions)

 	A workshop was held on E2 Short to E1 Long Implementation.
	Minutes available as wg11n226. Two vendors participated in
	short-to-long tool validation, EPM and PDTec.  The tools have
	been revised to implement Part11e2 Annex G. 

	Prior to the meeting, the 203e2 mim longforms generated by
	each tool were compared and seven differences in tool behavior
	were identified.  At the workshop, agreement was reached on
	resolutions for differences.

	The plan is for the tools to be revised by 2003-11-15, then
	the results will be analyzed by 2003-11-30. 

Part 12  - published 1997-07-15

Part 14 - status 40.60
	No Report

 	DIS ballot ran from 2002-04-02 to 2002-10-25
	Passed with 100% approval, so no FDIS needed.  
	Ballot results available in sc4n1387. 

	In San Diego the project reached agreement on resolution for
	all comments, and updated the document with resolutions for 39
	of the issues during the meeting.  Develoment of the text for
	remaining 12 fixes is currently ongoing.

	When complete, circulate updated document for a 4-week wg11
	review before sending to ISO for publication.

Part 21e2 - No report, published 2002-01-15
Part 22	- No report, published 1998-12-15
	Confirmed on 5 Year Review
	SEDS listed as open
	311, 340, 393, 394, 395, 396, 397, 398, 399, 400, 401,
	402, 403, 404, 405, 406, 409, 497

Part 23	- No report, published 2000-12-01
Part 24 - No report, published 2001-12-15

Part 25 - status 30.92
	Reporting -- David Price
	Meeting Tuesday 1-5 to resolve comments

	Unanimously passed second TS ballot (see sc4n1584)
	Comments from Germany (10), Japan (28), UK (1)

	Reached agreement on resolution of all comments.  Accepted
	almost every change.  Deferred part of one comment that was
	the same as the "lean mapping".

	Will prepare new document for publication, anticipate ready in
	one month or so.   Will circulate for 4-week wg11 review before
	sending to ISO for publication.

	At meeting, discussed second edition NWI to deal with UML v2,
	EXPRESS v2, and "lean mapping".  Also discussed the scope of
	the second edition NWI.  Open questions include whether to 
	include MOF or UML profiles for EXPRESS, and whether to do
	the standardization in OMG.

Part 26 - No report, cancelled
Part 27 - No report, published 2000-11-15

Part 28 - status 30.92
	Reporting -- Heidi Preston
	Meeting all week

	Held bi-weekly telecons for past six months to prepare CD
	ballot document.  Preliminary document (wg11n223) circulated
	in September.   

	At meeting, closed 29 action items and edited/reviewed 30% of
	the document.  Identified three new issues that are currently
	open and will be resolved via teleconference.  Captured and
	assigned list of editorial action items.  

	Schedule three conference calls to work remaining issues.
	Hold a final walk through before sending the document through
	the checklists for signoff.  Anticipate ready for CD ballot by
	January 15, 2004.

Part 29 - No report, cancelled
Part 31 - No report, published 1994-12-31 status 90.93
Part 32 - No report, published 2000-01-04
	Under 5-year Review

Part 33 - No report, cancelled 
Part 34 - No report, published 2001-02-01

Part 35 - status 50.99
	No Report

	Document updated with Stockholm fixes.  Circulated for
	a 4-wk wg11 review.  No issues raised.  Forwarded for TS
	publication.

	On 2003-10-28, ISO Geneva sent back a proof copy for us to
	check for correctness.  Lothar reviewed and is happy so Geneva
	should publish the document very soon.

NEW BUSINESS 

At open technical forum, David Leal discussed EXPRESS to OWL (Web
Ontology Language, W3C candidate recommendation) mappings.  David
Price will also discussed this at the Industrial Data on the Web
meetings (Wed).  There may be scope for and SC4 standard mapping in
this area.

Mats Lindeblad led a discussion Wednesday 10:30-12 to investigate the
potential for a 20-series part for binary exchange of EXPRESS-defined
data.  Some requirements that are driving this interest:

    - Verbosity of Part 21 (seen with AP-209 FEA data) 
    - Desire for random access to very large data sets

Minutes of this discussion are available in wg11n224.

Discussion attendees:

David Leal		UK 
David Price		UK	david.price at eurostep.com
David Loffredo		US	loffredo at steptools.com
Georg Siebes		US
Mats Lindeblad		SE