[step-manufacturing] Brief results from Busan meeting (ISO TC184 SC1 WG7)

[Martin Hardwick]

Dear Mr. Rossi,

Thank you for your note and congratulations to 
Ian Stroud on becoming Wg7 Convenor. On behalf of 
T24 I would like to thank Prof. Suh for the hard 
work he has done to finish the first edition of 
the STEP-NC standards and to prepare for the second edition.

I am confident that SC4/Wg3/T24 will want to 
participate in the Sc1/Wg7 meeting in Bath. We 
would very much like to give joint demonstrations 
and look forward to discussing how we can participate.

T24 will hold its regular conference call next 
Wednesday from 4:30PM to 5:30PM France time 
(3:30PM to 4:30PM UK time). We will be discussing 
the results of the Sc1 meeting and I am hoping 
that some of you will be able to join us for this 
call to answer any questions that T24 may have about the meeting.

The call in number is toll free and so is the web site.

Thank you again for sharing the results of your meeting.

Martin Hardwick
Team Leader T24 STEP-Manufacturing

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At 05:39 AM 11/4/2008, Rossi, Gernot wrote:
>Dear Mr. Nguyen, dear Mr. Hardwick,
>
>
>
>I will contribute to the started frank 
>communication between WG7 an T24 with brief 
>results from the WG7 meeting (only from the view of the SC1 chairman).
>
>1. WG7 has an new convener: Ian Stroud
>
>2. Prof. Suh is further on  joining WG7 and will 
>participate in 2nd edition of ISO14649 and other projects
>
>3. before WG7 starts the development of 
>ISO14649-110 (machine tool data model) the USE 
>CASES for such a machine tool data model will be 
>evaluated (until December 2008). You are invited 
>to participate (more details on that see report 
>of WG7 meeting - provided by Prof. Suh)
>
>4. A telcon for discussion of these USE CASES 
>will be held in January 2009 (Organisation by Ian Stroud)
>
>5. To save time the ISO14649-110 will be 
>published as TS until September 2010. It is 
>intended to go for IS not lather then 3 years after TS.
>
>6. The next WG7 meeting will take place 
>(back-to-back with ISO TC184 SC1 plenary) in the 
>week 21. - 25.09.2009 at the University of 
>Bath/UK. Some demonstations will also be prepared.
>
>7. WG7 is strongly interested in EC projects - 
>special for founding aspects. The meeting in 
>Bath is a "good place" for demonstration and promotion to EC officials.
>
>
>
>More informationen will be provided with the report of the WG7 meeting.
>
>
>
>Kind regards
>
>Gernot Rossi
>
>Chairman ISO TC184 SC1
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>
>From: VanKhai Nguyen [mailto:vknguyen at cadcamation.ch]
>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:45 AM
>
>To: Martin Hardwick; 서석환
>™˜
>
>Cc: bengt.olsson at sandvik.com; 'Aydin Nassehi'; 
>Newman; 박ìžÂ¬Ã­â€ºˆ; belee; BRAIL, Alain A; 
>Glantschnig1; Hascoet; HENTZ Jean-Bernard; 
>ian.stroud at epfl.ch; Marchand; Mr. Proctor 
>(NIST); Ms V.Maupin ; protic catherine; Rossi, 
>Gernot; Sakamoto Chiaki; Seok Won LEE; Suk-Hwan SUH; 'Tanaka'; vitr; wesche
>e
>
>Subject: Brief results from Busan meeting (ISO TC184 SC1 WG7)
>
>
>
>Dear All,
>
>
>
>I would like just to give a comment, not about 
>your disappointments (being solved by a frank 
>communication) but about technology demonstrations.
>
>
>
>The EC is not yet very aware of the strategical 
>issue of STEP-NC, and the last (negative) 
>evaluation of our "NC4Famous" project has 
>demonstrated again the EC experts' ignorance on 
>this topic. Moreover, there is no link today 
>between the FP7 R&D programmes and the ISO TC 
>and other standardization activities.
>
>I would suggest to organise a next joint ISO 
>meeting in Europe (why not in "neutral" 
>Switzerland e.g. and host of ISO) with 
>demonstrations of course. This event could be 
>organised under the aegis of MANUFUTURE-CH 
>chaired by Georg Fisher (AGIE-CHARMILLES, and 
>previous STEP-NC partner). And we can (and must) 
>invite the EC officers and experts to the demonstrations
>
>
>
>If you "think positive" with my proposal I would 
>go ahead to organize this next event with your support.
>
>
>
>In the meantime, I wish you a good meeting at Busan
>
>Best regards
>
>
>
>----- Message d'origine -----
>
>De: Martin Hardwick <hardwick at steptools.com>
>
>Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:38:16 -0400
>
>Sujet: RE: [2nd e-mail]: Busan Meeting
>
>À: 서석환 <shs at postech.ac.kr>
>c.kr>
>
>Cc: <bengt.olsson at sandvik.com>, "'Aydin 
>Nassehi'" 
><a.nassehi at bath.ac.uk>,         "Newman" 
><S.T.Newman at bath.ac.uk>, 
>박ìžÂ¬Ã­â€ºˆ 
><jaihun at ats.go.kr>,         "belee" 
><belee at cme.nist.gov>,         "BRAIL, Alain A" 
><alain.a.brail at airbus.com>, 
>"Glantschnig1" 
><fredglant at hispeed.ch>,         "Hascoet" 
><jean-yves.hascoet at irccyn.ec-nantes.fr>, 
>"HENTZ Jean-Bernard" 
><jean-bernard.hentz at airbus.com>, 
><ian.stroud at epfl.ch>, "Marchand" 
><Patrick.Marchand at cetim.fr>,         "Mr. 
>Proctor \(NIST\)" 
><proctor at cme.nist.gov>,         "Ms V.Maupin " 
><valerie.maupin at afnor.org>,         "protic 
>catherine" 
><catherine.protic at afnor.org>,         "Rossi" 
><gernot.rossi at siemens.com>,         "Sakamoto 
>Chiaki" 
><chiaki_sakamoto at paw.hi-ho.ne.jp>,         "Seok 
>Won LEE" <swlee7 at gmail.com>, "Suk-Hwan SUH" 
><shs at postech.ac.kr>,         "'Tanaka'" 
><ftanaka at ssi.ist.hokudai.ac.jp>,         "vitr" 
><m.vitr at wzl.rwth-aachen.de>,         "VKNguyen" 
><vknguyen at cadcamation.ch>, "wesche" <a.wesche at vdw.de>
> >
>
>
>
> >
>
> >Dear Professor Suh,
>
> >
>
> >I too have been disappointed by the level of
>
> >interaction between Wg7 and T24 in the last year.
>
> >T24 has held two meetings this year with only
>
> >minimal participation by Wg7 and Wg7 is about to
>
> >hold a meeting with only minimal participation by T24.
>
> >
>
> >Part of the problem is that at its Sandvik
>
> >meeting T24 decided that all of its future
>
> >meetings should include technology demonstrations
>
> >and that as much business as possible should be
>
> >conducted via telephone conference calls.
>
> >
>
> >We would like for our future meetings with Wg7 to
>
> >also be focused on demonstrations. We have found
>
> >these demonstration to be a very efficient way to
>
> >find issues with the standards and to prove-out
>
> >enhancements for the standards.
>
> >
>
> >Would it be possible for T24 and Wg7 to have a
>
> >joint conference call to discuss how we might
>
> >work together in the future? For example, at our
>
> >next meeting at Boeing/Vancouver (May 20-22) we
>
> >are very much interested in testing and
>
> >demonstrating how the Wg7 machine tool model can
>
> >be used to simulate the execution of STEP-NC programs on different machines.
>
> >
>
> >Martin Hardwick
>
> >Team Leader T24 STEP-Manufacturing
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >At 12:17 AM 10/25/2008, 서석환 wrote:
>rote:
>
> >>Dear Prof. Hardwick:
>
> >>
>
> >>As I find that you won̢۪t be present at the
>
>
> >>Busan meeting after all, I feel disappointed. I
>
> >>clearly remember that you were very much happy
>
> >>with my proposition to make this Busan Meeting
>
> >>as Joint Meeting (e-mail of July 2nd), and you
>
> >>were the one what in fact asked for change of
>
> >>the Joint Meeting date (e-mail of July 3rd), and
>
> >>brought up the issue of missing the T24 items in
>
> >>the agenda (e-mail of July 21st). As per your
>
> >>request, I included them, and you were satisfied
>
> >>(e-mail of July 23rd). Although I understand
>
> >>that you must be under inevitable circumstance
>
> >>for not being able to attend the meeting, your
>
> >>notice of absence at the very last minute (Oct.
>
> >>17) after my enquiry emails (Oct 11 & 16) is a
>
> >>great disappointment to me and other members of WG7.
>
> >>
>
> >>Particularly, considering that T24 makes your
>
> >>version called AIM which, as you well know, was
>
> >>based on the ARM developed by WG7 experts for a
>
> >>long time, and that nevertheless you had argued
>
> >>superiority of AIM version to ARM for nearly
>
> >>four years to no avail, I cannot help but think
>
> >>the work done by WG7 is somewhat being taken advantage of by you (T24).
>
> >>
>
> >>Best regards
>
> >>
>
> >>Suk-Hwan Suh
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>----------
>
> >>From: Martin Hardwick [mailto:hardwick at steptools.com]
>
> >>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:04 AM
>
> >>To: 서석환
>™˜
>
> >>Cc: bengt.olsson at sandvik.com
>
> >>Subject: Re: [2nd e-mail]: Busan Meeting
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>Dear Professor Suh,
>
> >>
>
> >>I am sorry but we did not receive your previous
>
> >>e-mail. Over the last two weeks we have
>
> >>experienced some technical difficulties with out
>
> >>Internet provider so the non-receipt is most likely our fault.
>
> >>
>
> >>At the T24 demonstration last week we decided to
>
> >>make Bengt Olsson our representative at the SC1
>
> >>meeting. He will bring a video showing the
>
> >>machining that took place at the demonstration,
>
> >>and the latest version of the AP-238 Technical Corrigendum to the meeting.
>
> >>
>
> >>I apologize for not being able to attend.
>
> >>
>
> >>Martin Hardwick
>
> >>Team Leader SC4 Wg3/T24 STEP-Manufacturing
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>At 08:41 AM 10/16/2008, you wrote:
>
> >>Dr. Hardwick:
>
> >>
>
> >>You do no reply me until now.
>
> >>This is the second and last to ask your participation.
>
> >>Due to time schedule, I will wait your reply by end of today in EST.
>
> >>Tomorrow, I am going to finalize the Meeting Call.
>
> >>
>
> >>Regards
>
> >>
>
> >>Suk-Hwan Suh / Convener of ISO TC184/SC1/WG7
>
> >>
>
> >>----------
>
> >>From: ¼­¼®ÃˆÃ‚¯ [ mailto:shs at postech.ac.kr]
>
> >>Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:45 PM
>
> >>To: 'Martin Hardwick'
>
> >>Subject: Busan Meeting
>
> >>
>
> >>Dear Prof. Hardwick:
>
> >>
>
> >>I believe you are coming to Busan. Am I right?
>
> >>
>
> >>Best regards
>
> >>
>
> >>Suk-Hwan Suh / Convener of ISO TC184/SC1/WG7
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>Prof. Suk-Hwan Suh
>
> >>Center for Ubiquitous Manufacturing
>
> >>POSTECH, Pohang, 790-784, Korea
>
> >>Tel: +82-54-279-2196
>
> >>Fax: +82-54-279-5998
>
> >>Mobile: +82-17-530-2196
>
> >>Center: <http://u-mfg.postech.ac.kr>http://u-mfg.postech.ac.kr
>
> >>Lab: <http://use.postech.ac.kr>http://use.postech.ac.kr
>
> >>
>
> >>----------
>
> >>From: Martin Hardwick [mailto:hardwick at steptools.com]
>
> >>Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:04 AM
>
> >>To: 서석환
>™˜
>
> >>Cc: bengt.olsson at sandvik.com
>
> >>Subject: Re: [2nd e-mail]: Busan Meeting
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>Dear Professor Suh,
>
> >>
>
> >>I am sorry but we did not receive your previous
>
> >>e-mail. Over the last two weeks we have
>
> >>experienced some technical difficulties with out
>
> >>Internet provider so the non-receipt is most likely our fault.
>
> >>
>
> >>At the T24 demonstration last week we decided to
>
> >>make Bengt Olsson our representative at the SC1
>
> >>meeting. He will bring a video showing the
>
> >>machining that took place at the demonstration,
>
> >>and the latest version of the AP-238 Technical Corrigendum to the meeting.
>
> >>
>
> >>I apologize for not being able to attend.
>
> >>
>
> >>Martin Hardwick
>
> >>Team Leader SC4 Wg3/T24 STEP-Manufacturing
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>At 08:41 AM 10/16/2008, you wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>Dr. Hardwick:
>
> >>
>
> >>You do no reply me until now.
>
> >>This is the second and last to ask your participation.
>
> >>Due to time schedule, I will wait your reply by end of today in EST.
>
> >>Tomorrow, I am going to finalize the Meeting Call.
>
> >>
>
> >>Regards
>
> >>
>
> >>Suk-Hwan Suh / Convener of ISO TC184/SC1/WG7
>
> >>
>
> >>----------
>
> >>From: ¼­¼®ÃˆÃ‚¯ [ mailto:shs at postech.ac.kr]
>
> >>Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:45 PM
>
> >>To: 'Martin Hardwick'
>
> >>Subject: Busan Meeting
>
> >>
>
> >>Dear Prof. Hardwick:
>
> >>
>
> >>I believe you are coming to Busan. Am I right?
>
> >>
>
> >>Best regards
>
> >>
>
> >>Suk-Hwan Suh / Convener of ISO TC184/SC1/WG7
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >
>
>
>
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