[step-manufacturing] Meeting schedule for WG7 and SC1 inFrankfurt/Germany
Xun Xu
x.xu at auckland.ac.nz
Tue Aug 21 22:55:27 EDT 2007
Hi! everyone,
It seems to me that this issue does warrant some discussion at the
Frankfurt meeting. I can see there are a few fronts at which the matter
may be addressed:
1. From the inventor’s point of view (e.g. Prof. Suh’s group),
his/her intellectual properties ought to be protected and
incentivised, through patents for example. Being in the similar
working environment as Prof. Suh's, I know all too well about this
issue.
2. From the end user point of view, the patent or anything that may
prohibit anyone from implementing a standard is certainly not
desirable.
3. From the ISO point of view, anything that might contravene ISO's
true spirit and underlying principle should not have a place.
From Prof. Suh's email, I can see he has given some considerations to
these issues.
Regards
Xun W Xu (PhD)
Alan Crawford wrote:
>
> Dear Everyone,
>
> To add my observations on Ian Stroud’s comment on Professor Suh’s patent.
>
> While it may be _arguably_ appropriate for a patent to protect a
> researchers interests for specific CAD algorithms, however, that does
> not seem to be the nature of the patent application on this occasion.
>
> The approach identified in the patent represents a (the) logical
> sequence for using manufacturing features and forms a central premise
> for the creation of a set of manufacturing features used in all of the
> STEP manufacturing domain. It would seem to be the ‘intended usage’
> rather than the result of necessarily innovative academic or
> commercial research.
>
> For example (c) involves:-
>
> (c1) selecting an machining operation defined by the ISO 14649 for
> each of the manufacturing features;
> (c2) setting process data for the selected machining operation, the
> process data containing cutting tools information, a machining
> strategy designating a basic machining pattern, cutting conditions
> including a tool-accessing/withdrawing method, a cutting depth, an RPM
> and a feed rate, tool path connecting method and information
> instructing whether or not to use cutting oil;
> (c3) creating workingsteps based on the manufacturing features and the
> corresponding machining operations;
> (c4) grouping the workingsteps in accordance with a setup; and
> (c5) determining a sequence of the workingsteps.
>
> This sequence will be recognized by vendors of existing software.
>
> Without doubting the good intentions of Prof. Suh, I am concerned by
> the association of a patent with the use (as intended) of an
> International Standard, which has received voluntary contributions
> from many countries/organizations, also needs to be considered.
>
> Best regards Alan Crawford
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* step-manufacturing-bounces at steptools.com
> [mailto:step-manufacturing-bounces at steptools.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Stroud Ian Anthony
> *Sent:* 17 August 2007 09:08
> *To:* Martin Hardwick; Suk-Hwan Suh; Mr. Proctor (NIST); ???; ???; ??;
> ???; Glantschnig1; Hascoet; HENTZ Jean-Bernard; HYSakamoto; marchand
> (CETIM-Fr); Ms V.Maupin ; protic catherine; Rossi; Sakamoto Chiaki;
> Suk-Hwan SUH; vankhai.nguyen at etat.ge.ch; vitr; wesche
> *Cc:* step-manufacturing at steptools.com
> *Subject:* [step-manufacturing] RE: Meeting schedule for WG7 and SC1
> inFrankfurt/Germany
>
> Dear Martin Hardwick and Everyone,
>
> This is just to inform you that I intend to attend the Frankfurt
> SC1/WG7 meeting. You mentioned that Mr. Sakamoto will represent T24,
> is there any particular question that is due to be discussed?
>
> I have a couple of comments about your mention of Professor Suh’s
> patent. First of all, I think that this is now a tendency, to protect
> academic research by patents because industry has, in the past, been
> all too ready to exploit published academic research without
> reimbursing either the original researchers or the funding agencies.
> This area of Intellectual Property seems very fuzzy and patent
> applications seem a natural tool for protecting researcher’s
> interests. I see what look suspiciously like my published algorithms
> in CAD systems and I certainly haven’t received any royalties. More
> importantly, since academics are now evaluate, probably almost
> everywhere, the lack of credit by commercial companies is a problem.
> Forcing commercial companies to acknowledge their use of academic work
> is also important. Finally, as far as I can see, Professor Suh’s
> patent is a protection for further research. It is far better that the
> patent is in the hands of one of us than in the hands of some
> commercial vendor who might limit our research. I certainly trust
> Professor Suh not to block either academic or commercial developments.
> Even if a fee is payable to cover the cost of the original patent
> application I would be able to justify a one-off payment as part of a
> project. Is this to be discussed in Frankfurt?
>
> Best regards – Ian Stroud
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Martin Hardwick [mailto:hardwick at steptools.com]
> *Sent:* mardi, 7. août 2007 19:04
> *To:* Suk-Hwan Suh; Mr. Proctor (NIST); ???; ???; ??; ???;
> Glantschnig1; Hascoet; HENTZ Jean-Bernard; 'HYSakamoto'; Stroud Ian
> Anthony; marchand (CETIM-Fr); Ms V.Maupin ; protic catherine; Rossi;
> Sakamoto Chiaki; Suk-Hwan SUH; vankhai.nguyen at etat.ge.ch; vitr; wesche
> *Cc:* step-manufacturing at steptools.com
> *Subject:* Re: Meeting schedule for WG7 and SC1 in Frankfurt/Germany
>
>
> Dear Members of T24,
>
> At our last meeting in Ibusuki we agreed that Mr. Sakamoto of Japan
> and the deputy leader of T24 would represent us at the S1/Wg7 meeting
> in Frankfurt.
>
> If you plan to attend this meeting please be aware that there is a
> patent on ISO 14649 implementation held by Professor Suh.
>
> http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6795749-claims.html
>
> Martin Hardwick
> Team Leader T24 STEP-Manufacturing
>
>
>
> At 05:24 AM 8/7/2007, Suk-Hwan Suh wrote:
>
> Dear All:
>
> As the Convener of ISO TC184/SC1/WG7, I would like to invite you to
> the Joint Meeting between ISO TC184/SC1/WG7 & ISO TC184/SC4/T24 within
> the framework of 16th Annual Meeting for ISO TC184/SC1 to be held in
> Frankfurt/Germany as follows.
>
> 1. Time table
>
>
> <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
>
> <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =
> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />08:00 – 12:00
>
> 12:00-13:30
>
> 13:30 – 17:00
>
> Meeting Place
>
> Oct 1 (Mo)
>
> WG7/T24
>
> Lunch
>
> WG7/T24
>
> VDMA
>
> Oct 2 (Tu)
>
> WG7/T24
>
> Lunch
>
> /SC1 Plenary/
>
> VDMA
>
> Oct 3 (We)*
>
> WG7/T24
>
> Lunch
>
> WG7/T24
>
> Hotel INNSIDE*
>
>
> 2. Agenda (See attachment for details)
>
> 2nd Ed of ISO 14649; Part 1, Part 10, Part 11, Part 12, Part 111, Part
> 121 NWIP for ISO 14649 Part 110 NWIP/DIS ISO 14649 Part 13, Part 14
> NWIPs for Inspection, RP, Robot, etc.
>
> 3. Special note
> October 3 is National Holiday in Germany, and VDMA will be closed. For
> the Meeting on Oct 3, Mr. Rossi, Chair of SC1, picked up a hotel
> (INNSIDE) located opposite VDMA under the followng conditions:
>
> fee per person: 52EUR (incl. lunch, coffee, softdrinks) minimum 6
> persons persons must stay over night in same hotel (hotel INNSIDE,
> located opposite VDMA) cancellation until September 1st possible (with
> no costs)
>
> 4. Request for reply by */August 25/*/
> / As stated in Item 3, for the Oct 3rd Meeting, at least 6 persons
> should stay over night. Please send us the following information by
> */August 25/* (Please mark one for all items):
>
> I will attend WG7/T24 Meeting on Oct 1 (Y/N) I will attend WG7/T24
> Meeting on Oct 2 (Y/N) I will attend WG7/T24 Meeting on Oct 3 (Y/N);
> If "Y," I will stay in Hotel INNSIDE (Y/N)
>
> 5. The followings are attached:
>
> Draft agenda for WG7& T24 Hotel information; provided by Mr. Wesche,
> Secretariat of SC1 VDMA Travel Direction; provided by Mr. Wesche,
> Secretariat of SC1 Agenda for TC184/SC1 Plenary Meeting (2-4 PM, Oct
> 2) provided by Mr. Wesche, Secretariat of SC1 Invitation to 16th SC1
> Plenary Meeting/SC1; provided by Mr. Wesche, Secretariat of SC1
> Resolutions from 15th SC1 Meeting (Hershey, Oct 2006); provided by Mr.
> Wesche, Secretariat of SC1
>
> Best regards
>
>
> Suk-Hwan SUH, Convener of ISO TC184/SC1/WG7
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