WG11 Minutes from Seoul

[Dave Loffredo]

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TC184/SC4/WG11/N203 Seoul Minutes
2002-11-03 to 2002-11-08

Opening Plenary Mon 10:30-Noon	
ATTENDEES 
Takashi Inoue		JP	inouye at fqs.fujitsu.com
Yasumasa Oku		JP	y-oku at ab.jp.nec.com
Hyowon Suh		KR	hwsuh at mail.kaist.ac.kr
Jochen Haenisch		NO	jochen.haenisch at epmtech.jotne.com
Dave Loffredo		US	loffredo at steptools.com


PROGRESS AND STATUS OF WG11 PROJECTS

Part 11 Ammendment / Edition 2 - status 10.99
	Reporting - Jochen Haenisch
	Meetings Tue 8-12

	Editorial work on FDIS document has been done, including
	merging of dam, 1994, tcs.  Also included non-controversial
	issue resolutions.

	New normative annex circulated for 4 week P-member and WG11
	review.  This provides the algorithm converting shortform E2
	schemas to one longform E1 schema.

	  - Only near-term implementation path for E2 schemas.
	  - Review resulted in some comments.
	  - Comment requested that the annex be split into two
	    separate algorithms.

	Met during week to discuss Japanese comments. Work ongoing via
	email to resolve other comments.

	Project expects to have comments resolved ready for review and
	FDIS signoffs by December.

	At the WG11 plenary, reviewed status of Part 11 SEDS issues
	listed open as of 2002-05-03 (most were handled in the P11 tc2
	document)

	STATUS OF OUTSTANDING SEDS LISTED FOR Part 11

	12	- Addressed in E2
	15	- Addressed in TC2
	46	- rejected, identifiers can be in uppercase
	71	- Addressed in TC2
	72	- rejected, out of scope for E2, reconsider for E3
	73	- Addressed in TC2
	74	- Addressed in TC2
	238	- rejected, no error in the example
	239	- Addressed in TC2
	270	- rejected, simple types in selects
	374	- Addressed in TC2
	375	- rejected, yes it is empty but is not an error
	376	- Addressed in TC2
	377	- Addressed in TC2
	454	- Addressed in TC2
	496	- duplicate of 454
	671	- rejected, clearly stated in clause 10
	683	- Addressed in E2
	684	- rejected, comment is empty
	685	- Addressed in E2	
	762	- duplicate of 671
	766	- duplicate of 683
	785	- rejected, out of scope, could be done in E3
	786	- Addressed in E2


Part 12  - published 1997-07-15

Part 14 - status 30.99
	Reporting -- Martin Hardwick (via DL)
	No meetings

 	DIS ballot ran from 2002-04-02 to 2002-10-25
	Passed with 100% approval, so no FDIS needed.  When the ballot
	comments are resolved, the updated document will be circulated
	for a 4-week wg11 review before sending to ISO for publication.

	Ballot results available in sc4n1387. The project team is
	doing initial analysis of the ballot comments.  Resolution
	will be conducted via wg11 exploder.


Part 21e2 - No report, published 2002-01-15
Part 22	- No report, published 1998-12-15
	SEDS listed as open
	311, 340, 393, 394, 395, 396, 397, 398, 399, 400, 401,
	402, 403, 404, 405, 406, 409, 497


Part 23	- No report, published 2000-12-01
Part 24 - No report, published 2001-12-15

Part 25 - status 30.20
	Reporting -- David Price (via DL)
	No meetings

	DTS ballot failed 2002-07-25, results available in
	document sc4n1356.  Project leader is currently preparing
	responses to the comments.  When these are available, they
	will be circulated on the WG11 exploder, discuss plans at 
	that time.

Part 26 - No report, cancelled
Part 27 - No report, published 2000-11-15

Part 28 - status 30.92
	Reporting -- Heidi Preston (via DL)
	No meetings

	SC4 officially appointed Heidi Preston as the project leader
	of P28e2 project

	P28 Edition One

	Corrections have been made to the E1 proof sent by ISO,
	circulated for a confirmatory ballot that closes 2002-10-28.
	Initial reports are that this has been accepted. The updated
	document was returned to ISO for publication (see sc4n1399) 

	P28 Edition Two

	Group making steady progress
	Workshop held in Troy on Sept 12-13
	Working draft is now available (wg11n202)

	The project is currently holding weekly telecons and refining
	working draft document.  The project will attempt to submit a
	document for CD ballot before San Diego.

Part 29 - cancelled
	No Report, no meetings

	P29 was scheduled for cancellation by ISO prior to the San
	Diego meeting and WG11 was requested to submit a resolution
	withdrawing this project.  The resolution was submitted with
	the following explanation:

	"ISO 10303-29, Implementation methods: Java programming
	language binding to the EXPRESS modeling language is not
	currently being worked, and has been inactive since releasing
	working draft wg11n060 on 2000-08-22.  Industrial interest in
	this part appears to have faded.

	Therefore Part 29 can be withdrawn."

	The resolution cancelling the P29 was approved by SC4.


Part 31 - No report, published 1994-12-31 status 90.93
Part 32 - No report, published 2000-01-04
Part 33 - No report, cancelled 
Part 34 - No report, published 2001-02-01

Part 35 - status 30.95
	Reporting -- Lothar Klein (via DL)
	No meetings

	Still waiting for updated document.  When the document is
	complete, circulate for a 4-wk wg11 review before forwarding
	for TS publication.   Target date: prior to San Diego.

NEW BUSINESS 

Drafted a WG11 position statement on resources, which Mr Oku presented
at the PPC.  The statement is as follows.

    WG11 believes it has sufficient participation to complete its
    current active projects, but is lacking support to begin new
    projects.

    New projects are needed to address open SEDS issues and to
    update the 20-series for EXPRESS Ed 2, but there are currently
    no people in WG11 to work on these.

    WG11 will not begin any new projects without evidence of
    sufficient participation to complete the job.

PPC requested that WG11 draft NWI proposals for updating the 20 series
parts and clarify what work is required for each part.  When the annex
comments have been resolved, we should update wg11n179 to reflect the
current state of the language and suggest scopes for the projects.