[step-manufacturing] [EXTERNAL] Reminder final call and report of AhG3 on UUID's

Wed Jun 5 11:11:16 EDT 2024

Kenny,
Sounds good.
Once the UUID paper is published (within the next month we expect), we can contribute that to the report, as well as reporting on 
completed CAx-If results.

Best regards,
Tom

> On Jun 5, 2024, at 9:23 AM, Swope (US), Kenneth A <kenneth.a.swope at boeing.com> wrote:
> 
> Just to weigh in here from the Chair perspective.  An Ad Hoc Group can only provide a report and recommendations.  It can not dictate requirements.  Those come separately.  The reason I am pressing for this report to be published formally is to get those recommendations out to the full committee for the necessary dialogue and consensus building.
> 
> I am pressing for the final report to be as complete as possible to help facilitate this level of transparency and to capture all the hard work I know that the project team has invested into the content.
> 
> Kenny
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Thurman <thomas.r.thurman at imonmail.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2024 7:00 AM
> To: Martin Hardwick <hardwick at steptools.com>
> Cc: step-manufacturing at steptools.com; Walsh (US), Patrick L <patrick.l.walsh at boeing.com>; Asa Trainer <agtrainer at comcast.net>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [step-manufacturing] Reminder final call and report of AhG3 on UUID's
> 
> EXT email: be mindful of links/attachments.
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> 
> 
> Martin,
> On a personal note, I have held off until the last possible time to commit the information model into AP 242 ed4, after the software implementors have expressed strong interest in implementing the model, and after detailed analysis by Asa and long discussions with implementors.
> 
> The AHG3 proposal does not say what you have stated in this email.
> 
> Readers of the proposal interpret the proposal as AHG3 is dictating a specific solution that ISO 10303 needs to implement.
> 
> 
> The slide deck provides an illustration of maps between UUIDs.  A map is a relationship between UUIDs. The Stakeholders want to manage those maps.
> In order to manage the maps one needs to record information about those maps.
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2024, at 5:14 AM, Martin Hardwick <hardwick at steptools.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Tom,
>> 
>> I wish I could stop you.
>> 
>> You are about to repeat a mistake previously made with EXPRESS. Namely, making it infinitely complex for little end user benefit.
>> 
>> After the EXPRESS toolkit industry was mortally wounded we tried to limp on for ten years but eventually had to exit.
>> 
>> I hope the same will not happen for STEP implementation but am not confident. Maybe it will get fixed before you go too far because the end user requirement is stronger.
>> 
>> The AhG3 proposal allows us to diverge into an information model solution (ISO 10303), and an IT solution (ISO 23247).
>> 
>> I prefer the IT solution because it keeps the UUID's, and the information model separate, and because it has the resources  of a large industry.
>> 
>> The RFC 4122 DiD proposal is a good one because the UUID's can be managed independently of the data. Not everyone needs to be a Part 21 expert.
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/4/2024 7:30 PM, Thomas Thurman wrote:
>>> Dear Martin,
>>> See attached document, which includes comments and some updates to the draft.
>>> I am very concerned about the recommendation to use a specific new WC3 recommendation when we are in active implementation development and testing.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Tom Thurman
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 4, 2024, at 11:47 AM, Martin Hardwick <hardwick at steptools.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> All,
>>>> 
>>>> This is the final meeting of the Ad Hoc group.  We need to submit a final report to SC4. The second draft is attached.
>>>> 
>>>> We also need to decide what next under the umbrella of WG15.
>>>> 
>>>> Martin
>>>> 
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