[step-manufacturing] EXTERNAL: Re: [EXTERNAL] Reminder: UUIDs for the digital thread

Fri Apr 26 14:24:23 EDT 2024

As I mentioned, I think digital thread is an imprecise term, jargon that has had many meanings. I’ve heard it used to describe a concept (e.g. the digital thread), as something ubiquitous (e.g. a digital communication medium, I’m thinking of the 19th century idea of “the aether”), and as a discrete line of communication (obviously some people believe there is more than one thread, hence “n” threads, and want to use the term digital thread to mean one specific thread). I also question whether the connection and communication must be digital. I assume digital is state of the art, but analog and quantum methods also exist. No problem. If you want to use the terms by all means do. I am just sharing my opinion. See below. 😊

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I am not sure why do we need to discuss this topic-digital thread? Digital tread is not a new name, it has been well defined in the international standard (for example: ISO 23247 series, other international standard documents), it used in manufactory everywhere.

Wen Jiang
Boeing

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Folks I think we may be misinterpreting the term digital thread as used in industry.

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Ray Admire

On Apr 24, 2024, at 9:38 AM, Bryan Fischer <brfischer at tdp360.com<mailto:brfischer at tdp360.com>> wrote:

Hi

I suggest that we should use a different term than digital thread. We aren’t sewing, and we certainly don’t want our business processes hanging by a thread, or to depend on a thread. I’ve heard people argue whether it should be digital thread vs digital web vs digital tapestry, and in the end these are just metaphors. We are describing the path that information flows along, the path between connected or linked processes, devices, activities, applications, etc.

This weekend I will submit the manuscript for my new MBE book to the publisher. I didn’t include digital thread anywhere in it. Mainly because the term means different things to different people and I don’t think it’s the right term.

Regardless of terminology, I continue to be very impressed with the work you are all doing on this project and I see it as the best work being done in the model-based space.

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Bryan Fischer

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Subject: Re: [step-manufacturing] EXTERNAL: Re: [EXTERNAL] Reminder: UUIDs for the digital thread

Great discussion. Thanks for the input.

My thinking remains that there is exactly 1 digital thread per use case. Define the use case for me, and I will tell you what the digital thread has to be. I am stuck on this idea that the thread defines which data elements are needed to implement a specific use case.

So yes, if you agree that there are “n” use cases, then it is likely that there are “n” digital threads (although I think that there are many use cases that share the same digital thread).

I have a slide deck where I actually prove that point. “Simple” maintenance insights can be derived straight from an MTConnect stream. No need at all for UUID’s, part numbers, serial numbers, quality data. But just an MTConnect stream is never going to get you OEE. You need many more data elements for that. And for things like dynamic scheduling and (my favorite) causal analytics, you need many more again. There is an effort at UKentucky to look at DT’s of the cutting process to specifically quantify subsurface damage, which requires a completely different set of data elements. Again, IMO, proving the point that digital threads are use case dependent.

Jan.

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Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [step-manufacturing] [EXTERNAL] Reminder: UUIDs for the digital thread

Hello Martin,

There is a continuing discussion regarding the number of digital threads.  One perspective is there is only one digital thread.  This one digital thread is the system that facilitates interoperability between disparate systems across the product lifecycle.  The other perspective is that there are “n” number of digital threads representing the respective workstreams or value streams utilized throughout the product lifecycle.

Both of these perspectives have advocates in the industry and both have valid arguments.   From my perspective the one digital thread approach lacks the depth and detail needed to align with the utility of the one digital thread.

I have a conflict today with PLM AG.  I’ll try and jump on to this during a break.

Robert

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Hi Robert,

I agree there should only be one thread, but because of the digital twin composition, there is a transition between manufacturing and engineering that must be managed.

Martin
On 4/23/2024 2:29 PM, Rencher (US), Robert J wrote:
Hello Martin,

Thank you for sharing the diagram.  I would suggest an alternate labeling for the engineering and manufacturing digital thread.  The generalization of digital thread introduces the categorization of thread types, i.e. “engineering thread”.  If the attempt is to be discrete in assigning a label to a digital thread then a descriptive label that easily identify the purpose/use of the digital thread should be used.  Digital Threads align data/information with sequence(d) events/tasks/objectives.  A UUID could be assigned to a digital thread to identify the discrete digital thread use event.

Robert

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All,

We will review organizing principles for the digital thread.

Martin
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