[step-manufacturing] RE: Meeting schedule for WG7 and SC1 in Frankfurt/Germany
cbrown at kcp.com
cbrown at kcp.com
Tue Aug 21 13:39:13 EDT 2007
A quick 2 cents from another patent / standard incident.
I am currently not a member of the WG7 and SC1 however our metrology group
is considering participating toward developing extensions of this work for
coordinate metrology and therefore that might explain why I have been
included on these email.
As the metrology community witnessed first hand with the Dimensional
Measuring Interface Standard (DMIS), ANSI/CAM-I 101-1990 (version 2.1), a
patent in 1993 was issued that looked and smelled like the DMIS 2.1
standard. The perception of a patent on a national standard literally
killed all progression of the standard and many vendors deviated their DMIS
standard implementations to their own proprietary implementations.
Furthermore, nobody wanted to volunteer their time to progress a standard
for the benefit of the patent holder. It was not until 1995 that our
standard's committee leadership convinced the patent holder to donate their
patent to the public domain that we were able to revive the DMIS standard
committee and the continuation of DMIS enhancements. Fortunately we have
recovered and today DMIS is at version 5.1 and soon to be an update of DMIS
ISO standard ISO 22093 via TC184.
Again, it was the perception of a patent on a national standard that
overrode any technical or legal understand of what the patent actually
contained as it pertained to the DMIS standard. However, as we painfully
learned, we may use the data available, our experience and our own wisdom
and yet, all of our decisions are colored by our perceptions, that is,
perception is everything.
Hopefully, this committee can do a better job then we did of communicating
to the public what the patent does and does not do to the outstanding work
contained in the STEP-NC standard.
Curtis W. Brown,
Chairman of the DMIS Standards Committee
Principal. Engineer
Science-Based Engineering
NNSA's Kansas City Plant
Operated by Honeywell FM&T, LLC
816-997-3548
cbrown at kcp.com
"Suk-Hwan Suh"
<shs at postech.ac.k
r> To
Sent by: "'Martin Hardwick'"
step-manufacturin <hardwick at steptools.com>, "'Mr.
g-bounces at steptoo Proctor \(NIST\)'"
ls.com <proctor at cme.nist.gov>, "'Xun Xu'"
<x.xu at auckland.ac.nz>, "'Stroud Ian
Anthony'" <ian.stroud at epfl.ch>
08/19/2007 11:29 cc
PM Dimitris Kiritsis
<dimitris.kiritsis at epfl.ch>,
step-manufacturing at steptools.com,
"'HYSakamoto'"
<sakamoto at hyunwoninc.com>, Newman
<S.T.Newman at bath.ac.uk>, "'vitr'"
<m.vitr at wzl.rwth-aachen.de>,
vankhai.nguyen at etat.ge.ch, "'??'"
<winxen at hanmail.net>, "'Hascoet'"
<jean-yves.hascoet at irccyn.ec-nantes
.fr>, "'olivier\(AFNOR\)'"
<olivier.teitgen at afnor.org>,
"'protic catherine'"
<catherine.protic at afnor.org>,
"'wesche'" <a.wesche at vdw.de>, "'Ms
V.Maupin'"
<valerie.maupin at afnor.org>, "Tanaka
\(Hokkaido Univ\)"
<ftanaka at ssi.ist.hokudai.ac.jp>,
"'marchand \(CETIM-Fr\)'"
<patrick.marchand at cetim.fr>,
"'Glantschnig1'"
<fredglant at hispeed.ch>,
inouye at jp.fujitsu.com, "'???'"
<jaihun at ats.go.kr>
Subject
RE: [step-manufacturing] RE:
Meeting schedule for WG7 and SC1 in
Frankfurt/Germany
Dear all:
I would like to express my opinion on the Patent issue brought up to your
attention by Prof. Martin Hardwick:
1. As Prof. Hardwick pointed out, I am the principal inventor of two
patents
on STEP-NC which are related with the implementation of ISO 14649. They are
titled 1) “Method for automatically generating part program for use in
STEP-NC," (US Patent US6795749), and 2) “Intelligent STEP-NC controller,”
(US Patent US7099737). For your reference, I am attaching three papers
published in technical Journals (CAD 2003, IJCIM 2002, IJAMT 2002).
2. According to the regulation of POSTECH Academy-Industry Foundation, who
supported my research on the above technologies and is thus the owner of
the
patents (which I myself have known only recently), the use of the patents
are legally allowed for non-commercial purpose such as research and
experiment, while for commercial purpose, the use of the patented
technology
needs to be discussed with POTECH Academy-Industry Foundation beforehand
case by case.
3. As I explained to Prof. Hardwick earlier, I, as the Convenor of WG7, do
not have any intention to bind general implementation of the ISO 14649.
And
I truly promote any further studies on STEP-NC and potential applications
by
related industries. As Professor Xu pointed out, it is of no use if what
is
patented for has little commercial potential. However, in consideration of
the long years of our intensive research efforts, it is of my opinion that
specific technologies described in the patents and the technical journals
should be somehow protected for commercial implementations as Dr. Stroud
pointed out.
4. The joint meeting on Oct. 1~3 in Frankfurt will provide a good chance to
discuss this matter in detail. I welcome any opinion of yours on this
issue.
I look forward to seeing you in October,
P.S. Meeting schedule sent before was not properly formatted, so I am
sending again as follows:
1. Meeting place: VDMA, Frankfurt, Germany
2. Meeting schedule: Oct 1-3
3. Agenda: 1) 2nd Ed of ISO 14649 (Part 1, Part 10, Part 11, Part 12, Part
111, Part 121), 2) NWIP for Machine Tool (ISO 14649 Part 110), 3) NWIP/DIS
for EDM (ISO 14649 Part 13, Part 14), 4) NWIP for inspection, RP, Robot,
etc., 5) Patent issues, 6) Projects, etc.
4. Special note: October 3 is National Holiday in Germany, and VDMA will be
closed. For the Meeting on Oct 3, Mr. Rossi, Chair of SC1, picked up a
hotel
(INNSIDE) located opposite VDMA. Pelase reserve hotel INNSIDE for Oct 3,
required for the use of Meeting room on Oct 3.
5. Reply requested for your attendance by "August 30."
6. For more details, please contact me, or refer to the previous e-mail for
Call for WG7 Meeting that I sent on August 7.
Suk-Hwan Suh / Convener of ISO TC184/SC1/WG7
-----Original Message-----
From: Xun Xu [mailto:x.xu at auckland.ac.nz]
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 6:07 PM
To: Stroud Ian Anthony
Cc: Martin Hardwick; Suk-Hwan Suh; Mr. Proctor (NIST); ???; ???; ??; ???;
Glantschnig1; Hascoet; HENTZ Jean-Bernard; HYSakamoto; marchand (CETIM-Fr);
Ms V.Maupin; protic catherine; Rossi; Sakamoto Chiaki;
vankhai.nguyen at etat.ge.ch; vitr; wesche; step-manufacturing at steptools.com
Subject: Re: [step-manufacturing] RE: Meeting schedule for WG7 and SC1 in
Frankfurt/Germany
Hi! Everyone,
This is an interesting matter. Prof. Suh’s STEP-NC controller patent had
our
attention soon after it was lodged. I agree with Ian’s points.
However, I do not think the patent has an effect of suffocating the STEP-NC
research. Nor do I think this is what Prof. Suh was intended for, let along
that there is still so much work to do and a long long way ahead us before
STEP manufacturing can truly take off.
Another positive spin out of this patent as far as I can see, is that it
may
send a signal to the relevant industry that STEP-NC research and the
solutions it offers DO have commercial values (hence the patent). In other
words, no one would lodge a patent if what is patented for has little
commercial potetial.
Cheers
Xun
Xun W Xu (PhD)
Associate Professor
Department of Mechanical Engineering
School of Engineering, University of Auckland Private Bag 92019, Auckland
Mail Centre Auckland 1142, New Zealand
Tel: ++64 9 373 7599 ext. 84527, Fax: 64 9 373 7479
http://www.engineers.auckland.ac.nz/~xxu008/
Stroud Ian Anthony wrote:
>
> Dear Martin Hardwick and Everyone,
>
> This is just to inform you that I intend to attend the Frankfurt
> SC1/WG7 meeting. You mentioned that Mr. Sakamoto will represent T24,
> is there any particular question that is due to be discussed?
>
> I have a couple of comments about your mention of Professor Suh’s
> patent. First of all, I think that this is now a tendency, to protect
> academic research by patents because industry has, in the past, been
> all too ready to exploit published academic research without
> reimbursing either the original researchers or the funding agencies.
> This area of Intellectual Property seems very fuzzy and patent
> applications seem a natural tool for protecting researcher’s
> interests. I see what look suspiciously like my published algorithms
> in CAD systems and I certainly haven’t received any royalties. More
> importantly, since academics are now evaluate, probably almost
> everywhere, the lack of credit by commercial companies is a problem.
> Forcing commercial companies to acknowledge their use of academic work
> is also important. Finally, as far as I can see, Professor Suh’s
> patent is a protection for further research. It is far better that the
> patent is in the hands of one of us than in the hands of some
> commercial vendor who might limit our research. I certainly trust
> Professor Suh not to block either academic or commercial developments.
> Even if a fee is payable to cover the cost of the original patent
> application I would be able to justify a one-off payment as part of a
> project. Is this to be discussed in Frankfurt?
>
> Best regards – Ian Stroud
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> *From:* Martin Hardwick [mailto:hardwick at steptools.com]
> *Sent:* mardi, 7. août 2007 19:04
> *To:* Suk-Hwan Suh; Mr. Proctor (NIST); ???; ???; ??; ???;
> Glantschnig1; Hascoet; HENTZ Jean-Bernard; 'HYSakamoto'; Stroud Ian
> Anthony; marchand (CETIM-Fr); Ms V.Maupin ; protic catherine; Rossi;
> Sakamoto Chiaki; Suk-Hwan SUH; vankhai.nguyen at etat.ge.ch; vitr; wesche
> *Cc:* step-manufacturing at steptools.com
> *Subject:* Re: Meeting schedule for WG7 and SC1 in Frankfurt/Germany
>
>
> Dear Members of T24,
>
> At our last meeting in Ibusuki we agreed that Mr. Sakamoto of Japan
> and the deputy leader of T24 would represent us at the S1/Wg7 meeting
> in Frankfurt.
>
> If you plan to attend this meeting please be aware that there is a
> patent on ISO 14649 implementation held by Professor Suh.
>
> http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6795749-claims.html
>
> Martin Hardwick
> Team Leader T24 STEP-Manufacturing
>
>
>
> At 05:24 AM 8/7/2007, Suk-Hwan Suh wrote:
>
> Dear All:
>
> As the Convener of ISO TC184/SC1/WG7, I would like to invite you to
> the Joint Meeting between ISO TC184/SC1/WG7 & ISO TC184/SC4/T24 within
> the framework of 16th Annual Meeting for ISO TC184/SC1 to be held in
> Frankfurt/Germany as follows.
>
> 1. Time table
>
>
> <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
>
> <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =
> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />08:00 – 12:00
>
> 12:00-13:30
>
> 13:30 – 17:00
>
> Meeting Place
>
> Oct 1 (Mo)
>
> WG7/T24
>
> Lunch
>
> WG7/T24
>
> VDMA
>
> Oct 2 (Tu)
>
> WG7/T24
>
> Lunch
>
> /SC1 Plenary/
>
> VDMA
>
> Oct 3 (We)*
>
> WG7/T24
>
> Lunch
>
> WG7/T24
>
> Hotel INNSIDE*
>
>
> 2. Agenda (See attachment for details)
>
> 2nd Ed of ISO 14649; Part 1, Part 10, Part 11, Part 12, Part 111, Part
> 121 NWIP for ISO 14649 Part 110 NWIP/DIS ISO 14649 Part 13, Part 14
> NWIPs for Inspection, RP, Robot, etc.
>
> 3. Special note
> October 3 is National Holiday in Germany, and VDMA will be closed. For
> the Meeting on Oct 3, Mr. Rossi, Chair of SC1, picked up a hotel
> (INNSIDE) located opposite VDMA under the followng conditions:
>
> fee per person: 52EUR (incl. lunch, coffee, softdrinks) minimum 6
> persons persons must stay over night in same hotel (hotel INNSIDE,
> located opposite VDMA) cancellation until September 1st possible (with
> no costs)
>
> 4. Request for reply by */August 25/*/ / As stated in Item 3, for the
> Oct 3rd Meeting, at least 6 persons should stay over night. Please
> send us the following information by */August 25/* (Please mark one
> for all items):
>
> I will attend WG7/T24 Meeting on Oct 1 (Y/N) I will attend WG7/T24
> Meeting on Oct 2 (Y/N) I will attend WG7/T24 Meeting on Oct 3 (Y/N);
> If "Y," I will stay in Hotel INNSIDE (Y/N)
>
> 5. The followings are attached:
>
> Draft agenda for WG7& T24 Hotel information; provided by Mr. Wesche,
> Secretariat of SC1 VDMA Travel Direction; provided by Mr. Wesche,
> Secretariat of SC1 Agenda for TC184/SC1 Plenary Meeting (2-4 PM, Oct
> 2) provided by Mr. Wesche, Secretariat of SC1 Invitation to 16th SC1
> Plenary Meeting/SC1; provided by Mr. Wesche, Secretariat of SC1
> Resolutions from 15th SC1 Meeting (Hershey, Oct 2006); provided by Mr.
> Wesche, Secretariat of SC1
>
> Best regards
>
>
> Suk-Hwan SUH, Convener of ISO TC184/SC1/WG7
> --
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> for Ubiquitous Manufacturing Director of National Research Lab for
> STEP-NC/e-mfg POSTECH, Pohang, Korea 790-784
> Office: +82-54-279-2196, Mobile: +82-17-530-2196
> Fax: +82-54-279-5249, e-mail: shs at postech.ac.kr
> <mailto:shs at postech.ac.kr>
>
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